<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Downward Spiral of Questionable SEO Practices and Why White Hat SEO Struggles to Survive</title> <atom:link href="http://dejanseo.com.au/downward-spiral-of-questionable-seo-practices-and-why-white-hat-seo-struggles-to-survive/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://dejanseo.com.au/downward-spiral-of-questionable-seo-practices-and-why-white-hat-seo-struggles-to-survive/</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 09:11:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Tiggerito</title><link>http://dejanseo.com.au/downward-spiral-of-questionable-seo-practices-and-why-white-hat-seo-struggles-to-survive/#comment-460</link> <dc:creator>Tiggerito</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 05:17:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dejanseo.com.au/?p=1793#comment-460</guid> <description>So are you being blackhat by commenting on this post?Could you point me to where Google states what you said. I googled &quot;natural links google&quot; and also searched their TOS for the term &quot;natural&quot; and could not find anything that said all link building is evil? I did find this in their webmaster tools help:&quot;Keep in mind that our algorithms can distinguish natural links from unnatural links. Natural links to your site develop as part of the dynamic nature of the web when other sites find your content valuable and think it would be helpful for their visitors. Unnatural links to your site are placed there specifically to make your site look more popular to search engines. Some of these types of links (such as link schemes and doorway pages) are covered in our Webmaster Guidelines.Only natural links are useful for the indexing and ranking of your site.&quot;This leaves a massive gap between natural and Unnatural links. Maybe we should call them contrived links ;-)It also states only natural links are used. So the contrived links are out. Does this mean any link in a directory, no matter how good and relevant that directory is has no link value if it is based on submitted requests? Maybe that&#039;s a good idea. Any website that accepts requests for inclusion or allows self made content should not be allowed to pass link juice....maybe notIt&#039;s good that Google tries to focus on the more natural links, but it&#039;s not that easy in practice. Now to make some more natural comments somewhere else ;-)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So are you being blackhat by commenting on this post?</p><p>Could you point me to where Google states what you said. I googled &#8220;natural links google&#8221; and also searched their TOS for the term &#8220;natural&#8221; and could not find anything that said all link building is evil? </p><p>I did find this in their webmaster tools help:</p><p>&#8220;Keep in mind that our algorithms can distinguish natural links from unnatural links. Natural links to your site develop as part of the dynamic nature of the web when other sites find your content valuable and think it would be helpful for their visitors. Unnatural links to your site are placed there specifically to make your site look more popular to search engines. Some of these types of links (such as link schemes and doorway pages) are covered in our Webmaster Guidelines.Only natural links are useful for the indexing and ranking of your site.&#8221;This leaves a massive gap between natural and Unnatural links. Maybe we should call them contrived links ;-)It also states only natural links are used. So the contrived links are out. Does this mean any link in a directory, no matter how good and relevant that directory is has no link value if it is based on submitted requests? Maybe that&#8217;s a good idea. Any website that accepts requests for inclusion or allows self made content should not be allowed to pass link juice&#8230;.maybe notIt&#8217;s good that Google tries to focus on the more natural links, but it&#8217;s not that easy in practice. Now to make some more natural comments somewhere else ;-)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dejan SEO</title><link>http://dejanseo.com.au/downward-spiral-of-questionable-seo-practices-and-why-white-hat-seo-struggles-to-survive/#comment-459</link> <dc:creator>Dejan SEO</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:38:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dejanseo.com.au/?p=1793#comment-459</guid> <description>Check out my slides here:  http://cdn.dejanseo.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/dejan-seo-link-building.pdfNote the scale of shades of grey on the second slide? That&#039;s what it is.If you observe the rest of the presentation material you will see this is all about an organised attack on the link factors within reasonable limits of impact on the web quality and its users (avoiding things such as forum/blog comment spam, link buying, link farms, blog networks, hacking etc).Business needs to survive, and for as long as Google lets one get away with it, others will be in an unfair position. Justice for all or none, that&#039;s what the article says.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out my slides here: <br /> <a href="http://cdn.dejanseo.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/dejan-seo-link-building.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://cdn.dejanseo.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/dejan-seo-link-building.pdf</a></p><p>Note the scale of shades of grey on the second slide? That&#8217;s what it is.</p><p>If you observe the rest of the presentation material you will see this is all about an organised attack on the link factors within reasonable limits of impact on the web quality and its users (avoiding things such as forum/blog comment spam, link buying, link farms, blog networks, hacking etc).</p><p>Business needs to survive, and for as long as Google lets one get away with it, others will be in an unfair position. Justice for all or none, that&#8217;s what the article says.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Samuel</title><link>http://dejanseo.com.au/downward-spiral-of-questionable-seo-practices-and-why-white-hat-seo-struggles-to-survive/#comment-458</link> <dc:creator>Samuel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 21:52:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dejanseo.com.au/?p=1793#comment-458</guid> <description>..and how often is link building NOT manipulating search results? I will state it yet again;According to Google&#039;s TOS, natural links are links others point back to your site without the need to pay for it, ask for it, comment for it or insert a link in your article to gain it. .....anything is else is manipulating search results. You can spin it anyway you like but all these self proclaimed &quot;whitehat&quot; SEOs are simply deluding clientele and themselves. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..and how often is link building NOT manipulating search results? I will state it yet again;</p><p>According to Google&#8217;s TOS, natural links are links others<br /> point back to your site without the need to pay for it, ask for it,<br /> comment for it or insert a link in your article to gain it. &#8230;..anything is else is manipulating search results. You can spin it anyway you like but all these self proclaimed &#8220;whitehat&#8221; SEOs are simply deluding clientele and themselves.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tiggerito</title><link>http://dejanseo.com.au/downward-spiral-of-questionable-seo-practices-and-why-white-hat-seo-struggles-to-survive/#comment-456</link> <dc:creator>Tiggerito</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:26:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dejanseo.com.au/?p=1793#comment-456</guid> <description>Placing a business in a local business directory is not natural but I wouldn&#039;t class it as black hat or doing anything dodgy at all.I don&#039;t buy into the &quot;all link building strategies is black hat&quot; idea. You could apply the same to &quot;all website building&quot; or &quot;all copy writing&quot; or any form of self promotion. All advertising and promotion work is designed to manipulate. Google guidelines tend to lean towards the idea that bad is when your doing it mainly to manipulate the search engines when you should be doing it to manipulate your visitors ;-) </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Placing a business in a local business directory is not natural but I wouldn&#8217;t class it as black hat or doing anything dodgy at all.</p><p>I don&#8217;t buy into the &#8221;all link building strategies is black hat&#8221; idea. You could apply the same to &#8220;all website building&#8221; or &#8220;all copy writing&#8221; or any form of self promotion. All advertising and promotion work is designed to manipulate. </p><p>Google guidelines tend to lean towards the idea that bad is when your doing it mainly to manipulate the search engines when you should be doing it to manipulate your visitors ;-)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://dejanseo.com.au/downward-spiral-of-questionable-seo-practices-and-why-white-hat-seo-struggles-to-survive/#comment-352</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:19:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dejanseo.com.au/?p=1793#comment-352</guid> <description>I think as far as Google goes, blackhat is somewhat associated by malicious activities such as injecting links, spamming comments, forums, hacking sites and also sneaky tactics such as cloaking, redirects and other devices designed to deceive users and game the system. Other SEO practices may not be in line with Google’s guidelines and can cause a penalty, yet are not classified as blackhat activities. So it’s all shades of grey. Rather than labeling things whitehat and blackhat it’s probably better to say within guidelines and outside guidelines. Most SEO activities today stretch the guidelines… but like I said in my article – it’s much of Google’s fault for allowing some people get away with stuff and forcing others to “keep up”.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think as far as Google goes, blackhat is somewhat associated by malicious activities such as injecting links, spamming comments, forums, hacking sites and also sneaky tactics such as cloaking, redirects and other devices designed to deceive users and game the system. Other SEO practices may not be in line with Google’s guidelines and can cause a penalty, yet are not classified as blackhat activities. So it’s all shades of grey. Rather than labeling things whitehat and blackhat it’s probably better to say within guidelines and outside guidelines. Most SEO activities today stretch the guidelines… but like I said in my article – it’s much of Google’s fault for allowing some people get away with stuff and forcing others to “keep up”.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dan Petrovic</title><link>http://dejanseo.com.au/downward-spiral-of-questionable-seo-practices-and-why-white-hat-seo-struggles-to-survive/#comment-348</link> <dc:creator>Dan Petrovic</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:56:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dejanseo.com.au/?p=1793#comment-348</guid> <description>I think as far as Google goes, blackhat is somewhat associated by malicious activities such as injecting links, spamming comments, forums, hacking sites and also sneaky tactics such as cloaking, redirects and other devices designed to deceive users and game the system. Other SEO practices may not be in line with Google&#039;s guidelines and can cause a penalty, yet are not classified as blackhat activities. So it&#039;s all shades of grey. Rather than labeling things whitehat and blackhat it&#039;s probably better to say within guidelines and outside guidelines. Most SEO activities today stretch the guidelines... but like I said in my article - it&#039;s much of Google&#039;s fault for allowing some people get away with stuff and forcing others to &quot;keep up&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think as far as Google goes, blackhat is somewhat associated by malicious activities such as injecting links, spamming comments, forums, hacking sites and also sneaky tactics such as cloaking, redirects and other devices designed to deceive users and game the system. Other SEO practices may not be in line with Google&#8217;s guidelines and can cause a penalty, yet are not classified as blackhat activities. So it&#8217;s all shades of grey. Rather than labeling things whitehat and blackhat it&#8217;s probably better to say within guidelines and outside guidelines. Most SEO activities today stretch the guidelines&#8230; but like I said in my article &#8211; it&#8217;s much of Google&#8217;s fault for allowing some people get away with stuff and forcing others to &#8220;keep up&#8221;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Samuel Symes</title><link>http://dejanseo.com.au/downward-spiral-of-questionable-seo-practices-and-why-white-hat-seo-struggles-to-survive/#comment-321</link> <dc:creator>Samuel Symes</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 06:26:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dejanseo.com.au/?p=1793#comment-321</guid> <description> Unless its natural, all link building is Blackhat!I often read many posts where SEO experts frown upon Blackhat strategies but then openly promote link building. According to Google&#039;s TOS, natural links are links others point back to your site without the need to pay for it, ask for it, comment for it or insert a link in your article to gain it.So, if all link building strategies are in effect manipulating search engine results, doesn&#039;t it stand to reason that all link building is Blackhat and the majority of off-page SEO practiced by SEO firms is in effect, Blackhat?Isn&#039;t having an online business all about rankings, traffic and conversions in the first place and search engine optimization should essentially be a technical, and possibly not a moral or ethical issue? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Unless its natural, all link building is Blackhat!</p><p> I often read many posts where<br /> SEO experts frown upon Blackhat strategies but then openly promote link<br /> building. According to Google&#8217;s TOS, natural links are links others<br /> point back to your site without the need to pay for it, ask for it,<br /> comment for it or insert a link in your article to gain it.</p><p>So, if all link building strategies are in effect manipulating search<br /> engine results, doesn&#8217;t it stand to reason that all link building is<br /> Blackhat and the majority of off-page SEO practiced by SEO firms is in<br /> effect, Blackhat?</p><p>Isn&#8217;t having an online business all about rankings, traffic and<br /> conversions in the first place and search engine optimization should<br /> essentially be a technical, and possibly not a moral or ethical issue?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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